Bakhtin

          I took a good deal from this weeks reading, though whether it was from understanding it in completer or finding aspects to be true to my own experience, I am not sure.  Bakhtin makes some good points but before I go into them I would like to stick up for T. S. Elliot for a moment (yes he was a bit of a crazed fascist) but that aside–as Bakhtin suggests–he can not be only discussed as wrong, which I feel we spent most of the time in class doing.  I do not agree with him at points, and I surely think that art comes from a connection with personality, but we also have to think of what he said that rings true for us.  We can not condemn a great thinker for one faulty thought.

          Anyway, back to Bakhtin.  I agree with his theory of the novel as being artistic prose, because plain and simply, it would be foolish not to think in such a way.  I also feel that style does seem to be looked at with much more depth than what causes the style, as he states “overtones of a style are the privileged subjects of study, while its basic social tone is ignored.  The great historical destinies of genres are overshadowed by the petty vicissitudes of stylistic modifications, which in their turn are linked with individual artists and artistic movements” (1190).  For instance, Jack Kerouac would not have created his style without the society in which he lived, and without that which he experienced in his life and thus wrote down.  The Beat Generation itself would not have existed if not for the time, a post war nation on the verge of social change and social uneasiness, and it was in this feeling of needing something other than what was offered that caused the Beats to happen and to be whom they were.

             Also Bakhtin makes the point of previous literary study and theory being of stylistics alone, and the idea of a “crafted” style by the artist.  There is surely a craft in writing at which you must work, and study; for to be good at what it is you are doing, any sort of trade or artisan-ship, you have to practice and learn.  Hemingway did not wake one morning and perfect the sentence out of a pure artistic birth right.  However, Bakhtin makes the point that this is not all that leads to a style.  That, “More often than not, stylistics defines itself as a stylistics of “private craftsmanship” and ignores the social life of discourse outside the artist’s study, discourse in the open spaces of public squares, streets, cities, and villages, of social groups, generations and epochs” (1190).  Once again, it is a time-period that helps shape a style and not just the study of style and “crafting” of a style, it has also to do with place and setting and lifestyle and personality (to go against Elliot myself).

             I have more to say but less time than ideas.  So I will finish off by saying that the novel is poetic discourse, and if we are too wrapped up in what to define things as or what label to put on them or what fits into what “club” of art, then we will lose track of what it is that makes art and what it is that it does for us; there are much more important things to think about than what to call something.

3 Responses to “Bakhtin”

  1. Hey! Good post. I think that most of us agree that TS should not be condemed for thinking of one bad thought; but obviously times have changed. I am sure that what he was thinking at the time, he thought that he may be able to go some place with that. Us in 2007 think something differant and believe that no, you can not write any form on literature and not have a personal connection to it. Thats some of the great things about literature, we all may have thoughts but other people (like us and those before & after) make changes to that or analyze it. It seems like you really understood Bakhtins reading and you sugested some awesome suggestions. I like your summarys and I really agree with it.

    annieeinna - January 23, 2007 at 8:48 pm

  2. Hi Nick,

    Great post. I’m with you on the overanalyzing and categorizing of every artistic aspect. Part of why art works is because of the magical and mysterious creative process. Still, there are things I like in both theorists ideas.

    To breifly quote my own darn blog:

    “Bakhtin … skates right past Eliot into a world where personality is incorporated on multiple levels including the author, dialogue between characters and even from the language itself. Rather than the traditional approach of unifying the diversity in art, something Bakhtin obviously abhors, he prefers that we celebrate our creative differences…

    I also see a strong similarity between Eliot and Bakhtin. Each believes in an “elastic environment” where the influence of style moves forward impacting all that comes after it, as it also shifts interpretation of the past. ”

    This is my way bof saying I think you’re right. Eliot ain’t all bad.
    -Kim

    atticfox - January 24, 2007 at 2:11 am

  3. Nick, I agree with the other commenters on the quality of your posting, most excellent. As for the Eliot comment, touche. I suppose that we (well, perhaps I should only speak for myself), get so excited that we’ve grasped and entire concept out of a rather difficult writing that all else seems to flee from my mind.

    You are completely validated in your support of Bakhtin’s beration (is beration a word?) of critics for ignoring the social discourse surrounding a novel and the tendency to latch onto one style or idea (much as we did in class) and completely exhaust the single entity of the writing. However, do you feel Bakhtin’s devotion to precise stylistics (which never seem completely defined except in terms of what they are not) are promblematic? I say that they are problematic because he criticises other critics for not looking at a work more holistically.

    estherspace - January 24, 2007 at 10:01 am

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